Subject	Uh, energy is energy. Engines are essentially heat pumps
Posted by	yobobrox on October 06, 2011 at 7:06 PM
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In Reply To	If you want to heat your house with ethanol, it will make posted by not4resaleZ on October 06, 2011 at 05:37 PM
Message	where part of the energy is converted into work and part is lost to heat. BTUs: "The British thermal unit (symbol BTU or Btu) is a traditional unit of energy equal to about 1,055 joules." BTU is a measurement of energy. You're right that the energy density of ethanol is lower than gasoline, but if you're suggesting it is a 'more efficient fuel' for home heating versus as an automotive fuel, that's nonsense.
Follow Ups	Octane Boosters - blackomega 11:57:51 10/06/11 Will not do what you need. - madscientist222 12:10:20 10/06/11 why dont they just let you fill up like... 2 gallons less of - Jeffblue 12:26:58 10/06/11 company pump only has 87 (n/m) - blackomega 12:30:06 10/06/11 Don't have a DD or your girls car or something? (n/m) - Bernie (NoVA) 13:26:42 10/06/11 DDs in the shop this week - blackomega 13:40:58 10/06/11 Just skip the free tank until you get the DD back. Not - RAGTPZ 14:21:22 10/06/11 Sure - only need about 40-50 bottles of octane booster - spicyZ 13:28:55 10/06/11 Toluene. (n/m) - Black95 13:32:15 10/06/11 ^^^^Agreed - Figifister 14:03:11 10/06/11 Torco race fuel concentrator is probably far cheaper than - 240Z FeO2 14:37:13 10/06/11 Re: Toluene. - Bumblebeetuna 14:47:16 10/06/11 waste of money in my opinion - RobZ32 13:38:40 10/06/11 Either tolulene or 100 oct mixed. - CoHPhasor 16:16:24 10/06/11 We had some Toluene out in our shop - blackomega 17:44:09 10/06/11 -1 (n/m) - LJZTT 16:45:12 10/06/11 Most cost effective octane booster is Ethanol. - not4resaleZ 17:15:09 10/06/11 Because it only 40% of the energy of gasoline - JMartz 17:21:25 10/06/11 No (n/m) - ZiNnYc 17:23:24 10/06/11 If you want to heat your house with ethanol, it will make - not4resaleZ 17:37:35 10/06/11 Take any flex fuel car you can find. - MixManMash 18:04:32 10/06/11 Attend a tuning session for which both e85 and gasoline are - ZiNnYc 18:08:05 10/06/11 Factory Flex Fuel Vehicles have the maps for Gasoline and - MixManMash 18:19:18 10/06/11 As well, why do you think you need larger injectors - MixManMash 18:21:00 10/06/11 I don't deny there is a loss in milage, at least at the - not4resaleZ 21:41:50 10/06/11 I bet your right. The problem is they don't even test them - not4resaleZ 21:36:46 10/06/11 I'm not sure about the US EPA, but in Canada, if the - MixManMash 08:07:11 10/07/11 You might check to see what the Energuide says about - not4resaleZ 10:24:13 10/07/11 2011 Buick Regal Turbo... - MixManMash 11:57:22 10/07/11 It appears to me that they are testing it for gas and - not4resaleZ 15:34:46 10/07/11 Nope. In order to be listed, it has to be tested. (n/m) - MixManMash 16:33:33 10/07/11 Between 25 to 30 % (n/m) - ztunerz 18:12:11 10/06/11 E85 will etch a place in the Z32 community soon enough. Other - samsungz (Houston) 18:18:39 10/06/11 AMS (the GTR tuners in IL) have found E85 to be very - Only1Z 20:36:23 10/06/11 True, in Houston there are at least 22 registered E85 - samsungz (Houston) 21:08:15 10/06/11 I'll stick with 100 octane for now at $4.99 a gallon. - Only1Z 21:21:34 10/06/11 That's cheap... where? $8.99 a gallon here :( (n/m) - Piranha 22:53:15 10/06/11 that's too cheap. i call BS (n/m) - ForceFedTT (SoCal) 00:02:27 10/07/11 Citgo in Bensenville, IL... - Only1Z 00:47:57 10/07/11 By the way, why would I lie? - Only1Z 00:55:35 10/07/11 easy to pick up phone and verify - Gromit 01:54:45 10/07/11 E85 ethanol content varies with the climate. To - not4resaleZ 22:26:14 10/06/11 . - ZiNnYc 00:17:03 10/07/11 Looks like that ethanol analyzer can come in handy! (n/m) - Only1Z 01:02:38 10/07/11 Nice (n/m) - ztunerz 09:45:11 10/07/11 Uh, energy is energy. Engines are essentially heat pumps - yobobrox 19:06:42 10/06/11 I'm saying if you are wanting to heat your house, BTUs - not4resaleZ 21:50:33 10/06/11 You realize Ethanol absorbs water like crazy and cant sit - CoHPhasor 18:05:58 10/06/11 Correct, use the correct container and keep it full (n/m) - ztunerz 18:13:02 10/06/11 stop talking crazy (n/m) - ZiNnYc 18:15:40 10/06/11 Voodo I say, voodoo! - CoHPhasor 18:37:11 10/06/11 Honestly do you really think us Z owners are mainstream :) - ztunerz 20:33:03 10/06/11 ;-) Agreed. (n/m) - CoHPhasor 19:58:50 10/07/11 I have a ethanol content analyzer and it measures the - not4resaleZ 22:08:36 10/06/11 I want to go on record disagreeing with this statement. - yobobrox 19:12:36 10/06/11 No shit 87-93, race fuel > E85 - Gennosuke 21:07:43 10/06/11 lmao (n/m) - ZiNnYc 00:08:19 10/07/11 Hater. - madscientist222 14:10:55 10/07/11 it maybe a 1/3 of the price but - Gennosuke 15:34:39 10/07/11 Most of the people who talk about the negatives have - not4resaleZ 22:16:39 10/06/11 ...as with most things in life. (n/m) - ZiNnYc 00:11:24 10/07/11 Re: ...as with most things in life. - 94ttz32 05:46:56 10/07/11 Wow thats dirt chap. Its atleast 10 + here (n/m) - ztunerz 09:46:58 10/07/11 I'd rather not have to completely revamp my entire fuel - LJZTT 11:42:02 10/07/11 2nd the corn is for eating, not burning. (n/m) - MixManMash 11:59:12 10/07/11 Technically, organic matter as a whole is for eating.... - CoHPhasor 20:08:18 10/07/11 I wont stop you from eating oil, but corn tastes better (n/m) - LJZTT 09:23:30 10/08/11 I mixed 12 gal of 87 + 2.5 gal 93 + 2 gal toluene - blackomega 07:42:41 10/07/11 According to Robos math your only at 91. Careful. - madscientist222 12:58:00 10/07/11 Now Im putting in 2 more gallons of toluene :) - blackomega 18:42:45 10/07/11
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